The Catching Away

The institutional church is about to collapse and the entire world is about to change.  For the first time in all of history the God of all creation is about to reveal Himself to the whole earth in a single event.  The catching away of the bride of Christ.  Who collectively as a body have been the restraining influence all over the earth, by their very presence.  Not as some sort of super righteous or self righteous super men.  But as yielded vessels who were made fit to be used by God for his purposes, as they submitted to His authority by obeying His word.  

These are the only people who will be leaving.  As they are the only ones whose prayer praise and worship along with a lifestyle of obedience enabled the Holy Spirit to restrain the forces of darkness through their physical presence in the earth.  It was the power of the Holy Spirit coming out of the lives and the mouths of those who believed God.  It did not come from us it came through us.  After we are removed, the restraining power that came through us in the spiritual realm will be removed with us.

Both the willingness and the ability in the hearts and minds of men to do good comes only from God as a source, not from men. This goodness has been done in and through men by the Holy Spirit. Humanism has preached the false doctrine of both self sovereignty and the inherent goodness of men for centuries, causing the widespread and willful ignorance of this great sustaining work of the Holy Spirit. Denying it entirely. Man is not capable of directing himself on his own, he was never designed that way. He either yields to the Spirit of God or by default is run by the spirits controlled by the god of this world.

Satan outranks fallen man in this fallen world. Being fallen is what makes it his because at the fall of man it became his. That’s what the fall was, a fall from free and willing submission to God – to being controlled by the Devil. Whether people see that or not doesn’t even matter. Believing is spiritual not physical, and it is a choice that can only be done before you see it. When the very body of people the Spirit works through is completely removed from the earth, the true nature of men since the fall will be unrestrained.

What was formerly accessed by the Spirit since Christ came will now be accessed by Satan and those with him.  Meaning Lucifer and the angels that fell with him, along with the demons under them will now have their way in the earth because they have their way in the hearts and minds of men.  Not merely influencing as before, but controlling at a much higher level.  Since they are not God they cannot alter order established by God, but they now have greater freedom to move within the same order, wherein they were formerly restrained.

Being the overcomers, the true ecclesia, the spotless bride – we will not have to endure this tribulation.  Not because we think we are special, because Jesus said so.  In one of the three well known eschatological chapters in the gospels that speaks solely about the tribulation and the times leading up to it.  It’s all right there in black and white, and it was always open to anyone who wanted it enough.  In Luke 21: 36 when Jesus said not to be weighed down with the anxiety and worries of the world, but to pray so that you would have the strength to escape what was coming – the strength He was talking about was not muscular strength, it was spiritual.  He was talking about the strength of our Faith.  He repeats this same promise of deliverance in Revelation 3:10 to the only church that was faithful out of the seven.

But keep watch on yourselves, or your hearts will become dulled by carousing, drunkenness and the worries of everyday living, and that Day will be sprung upon you suddenly like a trap! For it will close in on everyone, no matter where they live, throughout the whole world. Stay alert, always praying that you will have the strength to escape all the things that will happen and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man. – Luke 21:34-36  Complete Jewish Bible

Faith is an obedience.  Romans begins and ends talking about the obedience of faith.  The less you obey the Word the weaker your faith will be.  Most who call themselves believers have done just the opposite of what Jesus said.  They are full of the pressure worry and anxiety of this life, and they don’t pray praise or feed their faith at all.  They don’t believe in the rapture because they don’t know the Word.  So with their low level of belief and their weak faith they have earned the right to be tested in the tribulation.  That’s what the tribulation is, a very painful test.  Those who refused to suffer in this life by putting their flesh down and doing what God said instead of what they wanted, will now have to suffer through learning it the hard way.

There is no argument about there being a rapture, it is an event described clearly in multiple Scriptures.  There are simply people who don’t know the Bible and people who don’t believe it.  You will be able to explain it to anyone who is willing to believe the Bible, after you absorb what I am telling you here.  If you want the truth to make it into your spirit you have to stay teachable.  Which can only be done by putting on childlikeness and humility.  We have to do it with all of God’s things, and the Bible says so.  If you don’t do that you will reduce it to something intellectual, and you cannot receive the Spiritual things of God with your intellect.  You can only receive them with your spirit.  I did not say that, God did.

First we have to understand that about a third of the Bible is prophecy, and most of what Jesus spoke is prophecy.  Which almost always has an immediate partial fulfillment, and a later complete fulfillment.  Not knowing this one thing has caused many to shipwreck on the outer shoals of prophecy without ever making it to the island.  To understand this catching away we will take a look at the few places in Scripture where Jesus talks about coming to get us.  Which is not His second coming.  At the second coming Jesus comes to take over the world with the Kingdom of God, setting foot on the Mount of Olives physically in Jerusalem.  The whole world will know and every eye shall see Him.  

The second coming has nothing to do with the rapture, they are two completely separate and different events.  At the catching away Jesus comes in the clouds secretly in that only the bride will see Him, and only the bride will be gathered to Him.  This is in the Bible.  Every time He appeared after the resurrection whether to Paul or a group of people, He only revealed Himself to those He wanted to see Him.  It’s nothing new.  He did not show Himself to everybody or to the whole world.  It doesn’t matter if anybody likes that, it only matters if you believe the Bible.  Making the Word of God final authority is required for believers who want it to have any authority at all in their life.  We may partially commit to almost everything, God does not do that with anything.

In the gospel of John while speaking prophecy about His going to prepare a place and coming back to get them, Jesus is not addressing a crowd.  He speaks to a very small group of obedient faithful believers called disciples, who did everything that He said.  Except for one of them of course, who betrayed Him.  He said he would come to take them with him to be where He is.  He did not say He was coming to be with them where they are.  He also told them that they knew where He was going and they knew the way.  Then spends the next couple of chapters telling them the way for anyone who wants to, to get where He is going.  How to come and be with Him.  The way and the how He spoke to them about was obedience. 

Do not let your hearts be troubled (distressed, agitated). You believe in and adhere to and trust in and rely on God; believe in and adhere to and trust in and rely also on Me. In My Father’s house there are many dwelling places (homes). If it were not so, I would have told you; for I am going away to prepare a place for you. And when (if) I go and make ready a place for you, I will come back again and will take you to Myself, that where I am you may be also. And [to the place] where I am going, you know the way. – John 14:1-4  Amplified

So the first thing to get clear about this catching away is that it is a place.  Jesus will be taking us somewhere and He says so.  The next thing to see is that it includes a body.  You have one now and you will have one then.  It will be the actual body material you have now without the physical death from the curse.  The same body but of a different kind, a new kind.  The new one will be the same kind Jesus has, a spiritual body.  You can walk thru the wall but I can shake your hand.  You can eat some fish and will never get sick.  It will be impossible for you to sweat and you cannot go to the restroom again, ever, for any reason.  Hallelujah! 

I’m telling you a mystery. Not all of us will die, but we will all be changed. It will happen in an instant, in a split second at the sound of the last trumpet. Indeed, that trumpet will sound, and then the dead will come back to life. They will be changed so that they can live forever. This body that decays must be changed into a body that cannot decay. – 1 Corinthians 15:51-53a  God’s Word

Finally the rapture is an event.  It is a departure of saints in the air to meet Jesus in the air.  The Bible says that.  It is not Jesus setting foot onto the earth to set up The Kingdom.  That does happen but it happens later.  There are many other Scriptures describing that, which have nothing to do with these Scriptures.  The marriage supper of the Lamb and the bride of Christ are in the Bible.  It doesn’t matter that the word rapture is not in the Bible, the event is in the Bible.  The word trinity is not there either, nor is demon, but everybody knows what they are.  Besides, it is in the Latin version, just not the original Greek texts.  From those we have translated it being gathered or catching away.  Here is the event in Scripture.

I can tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not rise to meet him ahead of those who are in their graves. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. – 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17  The Book

The catching away of the obedient ones also known as the rapture has not happened yet.  But it is about to. If you don’t believe in it then I’m not speaking to you. This is for the Believers. If you are not Expecting then you will be sleeping when He comes.  This is the very time Jesus described clearly as falling upon all men unexpectedly, catching them like a trap.  Because they did not believe.  Some have tied the passing of Billy Graham to the timing of the rapture.  I believe this to be correct, but of course it is not relevant to Scripture.  Staying is not a punishment – Leaving is a reward.  There will be wrath and punishment going on, but not for those who now become the true Believers.  It will be very difficult times, very hard for everyone. But it will also be the greatest Harvest of souls in history.  Whether you stay or whether you go, make sure you are a part of what God is doing right now.  Peace

Brother Greg
Full Grown Ministry

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Leaving The Fallen

When man sinned through Adam in the fall of man, what he lost was his original specific nature.  He became a prisoner in his own body when he died spiritually, and was now dominated by his emotion and intellect.  When your body and mind team up together (which is your normal state) we call that the carnal mind.  Also called the fallen or flesh nature, or just flesh for short.  To be carnally minded is death, as it is the death nature we arrived at in the fall.  It is the place we fell to and the thing we are talking about when we say man is fallen.  It is not something you come to through a few bad choices, it’s how you were born.  It is the very way we are in the earth.  Whether you like it or not, regardless of how you feel about it.  Your feelings and thoughts have absolutely no impact on this condition you inherited, and are actually part of the problem.  In the fallen nature they will act only to distract you from identifying this condition.  Because when you see it you will have to do something about it.  You will have to get out of it.

The problem is not in your skin it’s in your spirit, which is dead.  Which is kind of why you are not aware of your spirit, and the things of God seem so unreal to you.  You cannot fix a spiritual problem with flesh and blood, though they will be involved.  Spiritual problems must be fixed spiritually.  The essential meaning of spiritual death is to be separated from God.  That is why Jesus had to finally be separated from God spiritually, which was the worst part for Him.  He had never been separated from God, ever.  That’s why He said “My God My God why have you forsaken Me,” which meant why have you left me, why have you departed from me.  Now God is a Spirit and deals with everything Spiritually, including you, me and the fall of man.  The reason God had to become a man to fix everything is because it was a man who broke it.

Paradise was lost under the authority of a man (given to him by God), so God became a man to bring it all back.  Which is the only way He could do it and be right.  Leading us to one of the first things you have to get clear about God, is that He is always Right.  About everything.  He is never wrong, not once not ever, about anything.  He wants you to be Right too, but it’s all something He is going to do.  All you and I do is let Him.  Before He can make you Right, you have to admit that you are wrong in relation to Him and His plan for your life.  Most people will not admit to this lifelong error because they are too proud.  Though few stop to consider what exactly they are proud about.  It is the sin that separates us most from God, the Great Sin as C.S. Lewis calls it.  That is why the devil fights so hard to keep you bound by your past, to keep you trapped in it.  If you are continually defined by your past and the sin you were born into, then you will never become the son that God wants to make you.

Eden was a real place.  In it our heart and our head would have been in alignment.  After the fall they came into conflict.  They are still that way today.  After receiving Christ as your Savior the biggest battle is to bring your head back under the control of your heart, and keep it there every single day.  To do so is to become spiritually minded, which is only done by washing your mind in the water of His Word daily.  His Word is His plan for your life, and will even bring you to the things it does not talk about.  But only as you continually fill yourself up with it.  Most christians don’t do this themselves, which is why they don’t act any different than people who are not Christians.  But then that’s not really being a Christian, it is just saying you are.  Everything outside of His Word is part of some plan, it’s just not His.  Most of it was designed to distract you in the short term, from doing His plan.  But in the end it is meant to kill you.  Along the way it will just steal from you and destroy things.  That is actually another name of the enemy of our soul in the Bible – the Destroyer.

Because this death thing is a large part of what you were born into, until you get rid of it, it will always be there waiting for you.  Its success rate is 100%, with the single exception of One.  The One who defeated death.  In all of history only Christ did this, anybody who says different is just flat out lying.  There were hundreds of eyewitnesses, many of whom wrote the Bible.  Both the Old and New Testament.  Moses saw Him, David saw Him, Elijah saw Him.  You could say on some level that all the prophets saw Him, and the whole Old Testament (the Hebrew Tanakh) was written by prophets.  In the New Testament more than 400 people saw Him at one time, after He was raised from the dead.  As well as His disciples, who saw Him several times after His resurrection.  We must always remember that the Bible is a record of multiple eyewitness testimonies.

If you really want to get ahold of the big picture in world religion, you have to remember that only the Bible is historical.  It is not more historical than the others, it is the most historical document of any nation and any era in all of world history.  Period.  It always has been.  The historicity has always been incontestable.  Just because we live in the information age and the era of the skeptic does not change anything.  Believing is a choice, and we live among a people who choose to believe in nothing but the moment, and the continual attempt to satisfy Self for that moment.  It certainly does not change the facts, let alone the Truth.  The only thing it means is you better check yourself, make sure you take a good look at who you are believing.  I mean look at their life, and the way they live or lived it.

With the exception of particular disciplines in science and mathematics, we are not taught all the facts pertaining to any particular Truth.  You are taught some of the facts as we know them, which all combined only equal a partial Truth.  Which means what we are mostly taught is what people think.  Professors at university and your favorite school teacher do not teach you Truth.  Most do not have any so they teach you what they believe.  And a belief is simply something you think to be True (whether it is or not is irrelevant).  Now you do learn a fair amount of facts in any given school year, maybe  about 20 to 30%, depending on what was studied.  But facts for the most part tell you how we look at it now, not how anything really is.

Some facts change daily, even more change within a matter of years.  Within a century, more than half of what we thought we knew gets turned on its head.  The last 100 years have been no exception.  That is the thing you have to get clear about facts, is that they mostly change.  Whereas Truth does not change at all.  Truth supersedes facts, always.  Truth is what the right disciplines ministered in the right way by the right people, lead you to.  Truth is what the facts (in this context – not all) are trying to uncover, trying to show you.  So the real question is – do you want to know the Truth, or do you prefer the bliss of ignorance.  The comfortability of it.  Because the Truth will make you uncomfortable, as it insists that you change.  But in that change it will lead you not only to life, but to eternal life, the God kind of life.  Which is the truest form of life.

As a Christian minister what I minister is Gods Truth, which is The Truth.  But I do not have all of it, only a part, as all ministers do.  And I can only minister what my part has, not what I feel like or happen to think.  Ministering what my part has comes with a power that we call the anointing, which comes only if your ministry as an entity and what you are ministering in belief through teaching – are authorized.  The authority of course being God, and His plan or constitution being His Word – the Bible.  God having called you and appointed you to that Office of ministry is the only way to get the power.  There is no other, there is just a bunch of people pretending.  Many of them are the clergy in the church.  Ordination is not on paper its in power.  Both the Call to an Office of ministry and the ordination of it (the power makes it official) are from and of God.

Not a college, seminary, piece of paper, or group of men anywhere can Ordain you.  It is impossible and everyone involved knows it.  Nor will you find a single example of such a thing anywhere in Scripture.  The Biblical model is drastically different from the education model used by every modern nation.  Nothing wrong with education, it’s a good thing, even a wonderful thing.  But it is not at all the same thing as God ordaining you.  There are of course some ministers in various Christian Churches who were called by God, and got an education as well.  But their education did not give them the anointing.  You have to get up under someone with the anointing to get the anointing.  The vast majority of those in the man made religious institution of the church did not answer a call from God, nor were they ordained by Him.  It simply appealed to their personality or intellect, or they thought it a good idea.

That is why there is so little power at work in so many churches.  God did not call the men running them, they called themselves.  So if you do not know Jesus don’t despair, most christians don’t know Him either.  They just say they do, and spend their whole lives doing little or nothing of what He says.  Which is the only way you will get to know Him, by doing what He says – not acting as though you like Him.  You can agree that He died, but it is not enough.  The demons believe that, and they tremble.  The two offices of ministry in the Hebrew Tanakh (the Old Testament of the Christian Bible) were replaced by 5 Offices of Ministry in the New Testament. That is, Prophet and Priest of the Old were replaced by Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor and Teacher in the New.  All of this is in the Bible.

The New Deal is part of the Old Deal.  It is contained within it and always has been.  Hundreds of Scriptures in the Old speak of the New over and over again.  That is why the Old is quoted hundreds of times in the New.  To say see, this is what that was talking about.  All of the men used by God to write down the New Deal (which again was always in the Old) knew the Old Deal by heart.  With the exception of Luke all of them were Jewish.  One was a religious legal scholar known as a pharisee, and in fact was highly esteemed among the pharisees of his day.  His name was Paul, and he was on his way to Damascus with letters  from the High Priest in Jerusalem authorizing his actions.  These letters were actually a sort of religious arrest warrant, to arrest the followers of the Way (an early name for followers of Christ) when he met the Head of the Way, Jesus himself.

At the same time Jesus appeared and spoke to him in the Spirit.  Paul became blind, and would stay that way for three days.  A Biblical type and symbol of the same death and resurrection that Christ had gone through years earlier.  Death to the old life and old man, resurrection into the New.  Paul would never recover from his Damascus Road experience, which was the original one.  He would go on to be used by God to “set on fire the conversion of the Roman Empire.”  The world would never be the same.  Not because of some greatness in Paul, but because of what God was doing through him.  All along the Way we can look back and see that God  was using people who were available for His use.  To do what He had always wanted to do, which was to bring man back to Himself.  Out of the dark and painful corrupting sting of sin, into the bright joy filled glory of Christ within.  

Brother Greg
Full Grown Ministry

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Something Deeper

I never understood exactly what this sense of destiny and the drive behind it was for, but by the end of my school years, I knew it had something to do with God.  I felt it more in my gut than in my head.  It was on my first ship the USS New Orleans where I began to come up into the plan that God had laid out for me – before I had ever been born.  There were two different vessels aboard this ship that at some level, of their own free will had made themselves available for God’s use.  They would soon be pouring into me as others had poured into them.  Andy was one of those guys who was a lover, where others would be fighters.  He was so full of love.  I was a fighter.  Andy was from Lake Charles, Louisiana, and wasn’t but a few years older than I was.  I think he was in his early twenties, and he was a Machinist.  I was an Electrician, which was just a necessary delay on the way to becoming a Navy Diver.  As you had to learn a trade enabling you to do something else aboard ship when you weren’t diving.

Lieutenant Commander Jay Snell was the ships Chaplain, and by his own admission hadn’t become a true Christian until after seminary when he met some real Believers aboard what I remember to be his first ship, many years earlier.  Upon meeting these men who were walking in the power of God, he realized he was not even a believer.  He had simply thought he was because of his religious training and background.  It was from these two men that the first penetrating seeds of God’s Word and seeds of His Love would be sown into a cold and damaged heart, at just the time the Lord knew I would receive the precious gift without destroying it.  It was here, aboard a ship of war that I would begin the long journey of discovery.  That the battle was not won by those who were strongest, and that the warfare was never between men and machines as it appeared.  But had always and only been fought and won in the Spirit.  The process by which this godly young man and this older and wiser man of God established the framework for forming Christ in me is called discipleship.

Which is nothing more than Christian apprenticeship, is intended for everybody, and is the way ordained by God to the deeper things and the higher life He has always had for those who would have It.  One loved me like a brother, the other like a wise master builder took me under his wing and taught me, instructed me, in the things of God.  Neither of them had everything, but only some things.  They both had their parts to play in this sometimes bewildering drama of my life, and I still have those parts with me today.  Like those who came before me, I am pouring into others, who are pouring into others, who are pouring into others.  Some of the disciples of my disciples have disciples.  I am in fact over a nationwide discipleship network.  It’s not very big, but it is on both coasts and in several states – and only exists at all because it is God’s thing, not mine.  I’m just doing what He told me, which is actually what He’s told everybody.  What I’m doing shouldn’t be the exception – it should be the norm.

The christianity of most who believe themselves to be Christian is not working for them because they haven’t been discipled.  It is a getting up under someone who has what you don’t – so that you can get it from them.  If they were a vessel full of liquid, and you the empty vessel needing to be filled, then the pipeline, the conduit, the funnel connecting the 2 of you would be obedience.  Not obedience in some random arbitrary manner  – but obedience to God’s Word.  Discipleship is all about accountability.  The accountability of keeping your word, which was given in the form of a promise, when you made that promise to change.  Which is all that Repentance is – a promise to change.  You cannot do it on your own, it is quite impossible.  You need help, a lot of help, and a large part of the help God has sent is Discipleship.

Everybody wants to go to Heaven, but nobody wants to change – and be made into the image of Christ.  If you have not at least begun the process of salvation, which is the name of this being changed – you won’t make it to Heaven.  It is not accomplished with a prayer anymore than your 1st year on the job ended by filling out the paperwork to get hired.  No, that was all done beforehand.  If you are a member of the clergy, no use quoting sola fide – Faith is an act not a thought.  And yes it very much is Faith in Christ and His completed work on the Cross, but you have a part in response to that.  Most who call themselves christians have very intentionally not done their part.  Some are just ignorant due to a gross shortage of Teachers in the Body of Christ.  Not because they haven’t been Called – few have answered the Call.  From Genesis to Revelation, God ties all of your Love for Him and all of your Belief in Him to one thing . . . Obedience.

Now in doing our part, God has given all of us the ability to become hungry, willing or obedient – so we can be discipled.  We in fact call these the 3 doorways to discipleship, and teach the disciples to look for one of these doorways being open as a confirmation of who they are to disciple.  I am not an Evangelist so I don’t take my guys out to the street corner and look for followers, and I tell them not to do that because that is not the Call, or the anointing that backs up that Call – on my life.  And in ministering the real Biblical Christianity you want to do only what you are anointed to do.  Which means what God has given you power to do, because He has called you to do it.  The thing so many won’t take the time to do – is to find out what God has called them to do.  They are too busy doing what they’ve called themselves to do, or what someone else thought was a good idea – but they never asked God.

There are many good books and many good movies, but most of the books that have ever been written – should not have been.  It’s the same with movies, songs, restaurants, even ministry.  I’d say on average probably the top ten per cent in any field are doing something God put in their heart, whether they knew it or not.  Which means in every area of human endeavor most of the people in the earth, including most of the people in the church, are not doing anything God told them to do.  Which is where The Blessing is at – and the only place His Blessing is at.  Remember blessing means empowered to prosper, not claiming your own success.  The power comes from Him, not positive confession.  If you are not empowered by Him, you are not Blessed.  It is not competition that makes room for anyone, it is your gift that makes room for you.

Instead of living in His Blessing people are just doing something, anything, to keep themselves busy, so they don’t go crazy.  Busy making a living so they can feed themselves and pay their bills while waiting for death to finally catch up with them.  Well, that’s not what God calls life.  Jesus came to deliver us from all that mundane dreary unrewarding unfulfilling frustrating existence that makes up our life in our town.  God has something much better for everyone on the planet.  He said if we will follow Him; we’ll eat, live, drive the very best of the land.  All the time, everyday.  In fact, the greek word for His kind of life is zoe.  The God kind of Life, the uncreated life.  It is one of the main things Christ came to do; to change us from created to begotten, from creatures to sons.  It would be like a man changing a painting or statue (something he created) into another man (something he did not create but could only beget).  As C.S. Lewis explains in Mere Christianity, you can only beget something of your own kind.  To beget is to give birth to something of the same kind as yourself.

Let me break down the difference between these 3 doorways so they can be more clearly seen, for those who actually intend to do something about this book – and make some disciples (of the Lord Jesus Christ, not of you).  About 3 years ago I was discipling about 6 or 7  guys over the same period of time, but not all together, and not at the same hour or day, but always at least once a week.  As I typically get together with one at a time for at least 2 hours, sometimes 3 or 4 hours, as the Lord directs.  But we set a time and a day and stick to it because one of the first things the Enemy attempts to attack is the stability of the meeting, and the keeping of your word.  Our entire society and culture are against these things as well, but then everything about the one true God opposes the mainstream of fallen man and his way of doing things.

So one of the first things I inevitably have to teach those whom God sends me to minister His Word to – is to simply keep their word.  And I’m talking about guys ranging from their late teens to mid forties, from military to millionaire, across the socio-economic divide.  But before I go off on the importance of keeping your word (which could take up a book), let me get back to these doorways as it related to four men in three regular meetings.  The first man was a realtor who had his own office, the second man had a few million from successful investing that he had earned from the company he worked for.  Both of these men were married with children and in their 40’s.  The other two gentlemen were friends and roommates of each other.  One was in his late twenties, the other in his early 30’s. I discipled these two together.  I will start with these last two in just a minute.  To give some idea socially they were your basic blue collar working class guys.  But first let me say this.

This is not about any specific individual[s] and what they did or did not do.  It is about discipleship.  Nothing said is defamatory or demeaning in any way. So I am quite intentionally avoiding many specifics, including their names.  Both out of respect and for the sake of focus and staying on mission.  Which is to get you as much of the help being offered here, so that you can in turn help others.  But I do want you to see enough to make their humanity visible, and therefore the application of what’s being said as practical.  By showing a partial picture of four men not so different from you and me, who probably entered this process with what they would consider the best intentions, but did not go as far as they should have.  Showing you why they did not, as it relates to these doorways.  Which in one sense, are nothing more than heart postures.

All of these men failed discipleship in that they all quit the process and did not allow the Lord to bring to completion the very thing He does with discipleship.  Which is to get Christ formed in you (more than He is now) and establish His Kingdom in the earth.  By establishing it in the lives of men, who then must help establish it in the lives of others.  Until a disciple is birthed into his gift call or ministry and becomes part of a body of disciples as Scripture commands, he did not finish the process.

It is my hope that you will get what they would not, and perhaps at some level could not [yet], and go further than they.  The hope of every good father.  And though I am not a father after the flesh, the Lord has made me one in the Spirit – to many.  To the ones who stayed the course.  It has taken Him years to bring me around to accepting that fact.  He needs more spiritual fathers, and He will make some of you into a father, if you let Him.  And many will be drawn to your Light, but it’s not about that.  It is about those who want His Light.  Which is where all of your light comes from.

These are all good men, as are all the men I have the honor to disciple.  Most of them still go to church as far as I know.  All of them got some of the help God sends through ministry (mine in this case) to come up higher, all of them.  Then again the point of true ministry is not to get them accept Jesus but to get them up under His Authority.  God did not send His Son to back up your plan.  He sent Him to get you up on His Plan.  People as a whole just don’t like that, so very few end up really getting ahold of it.  Some of the many I’ve discipled got enough to help one or two others come up higher.  But only a few stayed the course, got filled up with the spiritual seed of God’s Word enough to change their lives, and are now changing the lives of others by pouring into them.  They are my core disciples. Which means they stuck with it until what God had for them through the Office I stand in was formed in them.  Being brought to maturity, until they in turn had actual disciples themselves.

Neither myself nor these core disciples are in any way special, but only people who were available for God  to use.  You can be too.  Which in itself took many years as a part time minister for me to come up into.  It was my own limited availability that no doubt was directly responsible for the lack of impact I was having for so long, as I was busy living my own life (selfishly) trying to get laid instead of following the One who had laid down His own life so that I could have it.  Many are called, few are chosen.  The chosen are just those who stick to it no matter what, and who’s commitment to fulfill the Call of God on their life – is non negotiable.

So these first two were Obedient.  Which is to say, they showed up to the meetings on time (which was twice a week for them), and did everything I told them while they were present with me.  But they weren’t Willing in the sense of agreeing in their heart posture.  They did it all out of a sense of duty and discipline, believing it would help them, that there was something good in it.  Much like the military or any other form of public service.  They also lacked hunger, in that the books and tapes (and cd’s) which were the homework and easily half the grade (as a teacher would say) were listened to and read much slower and with less frequency than required for them to make it to the next ones, of which there were many.  Remember this whole thing works by seed-time-and harvest, which is the chief principle by which the Kingdom of God operates.  The first step is sowing seed.  Lots of seed.

The guy with a little money had a lot of pride and a strong spirit of control that could not suffer him to sit under my authority for two hours, and study the Bible and the things of God together.  He really could not do anything unless he was in charge, or at least in the limelight.  He knew this himself, and as it was exposed through the course of our relationship – he was pretty upfront about it.  So he was neither Willing or Obedient, but he was very Hungry.  I fed the hunger.  He went through more books and tapes (all good) than anyone I’ve ever poured into.  I mean he frequently went through a book a week, along with an entire set of teaching tapes (all from different Anointed Ministers) which I required listening to multiple times – so that within 6 months, he had absorbed all I had at the time.  He was so hungry, thank God!  But he was not Willing or Obedient, nor did he become so.  He did the homework very well but he would not attend the class, which was required.

The last guy, the realtor, was the one I discipled the longest (of these 4) and has since come up into a level of ministry himself – as he now heads the prison ministry at his church, along with another disciple of mine who had come up into the 5 fold ministry as a Teacher, while being discipled.  This realtor brother was very Willing, in that he was just open to do what ever it took to get Christ formed in him.  To bear the required fruit of the Holy Spirit  as commanded in the Bible to be a true Christian.  But he was neither Hungry or Obedient.  He was chronically late, which affected his word in other areas – as it is all connected, and put into practice very little of what he was given through our fellowship, twice a week.  He was also getting through very little of the homework in the year and a half we were together.

Now none of the doorways are enough by themselves to truly become a disciple of Christ, anymore than the doorway to your house is the house itself.  They are simply entry points, and in fact, if you possess any one of these – you are supposed to let the one you have help take you to the others, because you will need some level of all three of them to make it.  To become what God wants to make of you.  We are all to become what we behold.  The Bible tells us that we are the house God has come to live in.  So hunger eats.  It relates to desire, to what you want – and you have to want this to get it.  When of course the truth is, most of us don’t want it.  I didn’t.  I had to ask God to give me the desire for Him and His way of doing things, and He did.  He gave it to me, and is still giving it to me.

That is what the Kingdom of God is: God and His way of doing things.  Your desire follows your attention, remember.  Whatever you pay attention to, that is what you will desire.  We are born with a nature that opposes God and finds worship difficult.  I mean the worship of God.  We all worship something, and do it easily.  We do it naturally.  Beauty, strength, knowledge, innocence, power, independence, money, drugs (for some), being worshipped (for others).  All of these things have been turned into gods. As long as it’s a god, it can be worshipped.  You are not supposed to and you do not have the right to worship anything or anyone other than God.  We were made to worship Him, and worship was made only for Him.  You do not have the right to do whatever you want, nobody does.  You only have the right to do what is right.  What we all have is the free will to do wrong, but we do not have the right to do wrong.  God Himself has given us the choice, and the more you understand what worship is and what it says, the more clearly you will see that all true worship belongs only to God.

A god is what ever you turn to in your hour of need, whatever you draw your strength and your substance fromthat is your god.  God Almighty, the Creator of the Universe, the God of the Bible, is our Heavenly Father and wants us to turn to Him for all our needs – but you have to let Him be God.  You were made for Him, but you have to decide of your own free will to get up under that.  That’s what Idolatry is, creating and worshipping false gods.  God didn’t make these things gods, we made them gods.  We did it out of our rebellious fallen nature, to worship anything but Him.  That is not okay – it’s a Sin.  In fact, it’s one of the Ten Commandments.  Which are actually just ten of the hundreds, a summary of them if you will.  Just as the two greatest commandments are a summary of the ten and all the rest.  They’re hierarchical.  His Kingdom is one of rank, structure and authority.  You can go just as high as you are willing to obey – and you have got to be hungry enough to obey on that level.

Willingness speaks of an openness of the Heart, a yielding.  It’s not the part that does a thing (that’s Obedience), it’s the part that wants to do it.  You may think that these are just different ways of saying the same thing, but they are not.  They are completely different parts that are related to one another, just like every organ and member of your body, every person in your family, every citizen of a nation, every animal in the earth, and every planet in the solar system.  Such diversity of design and purpose, with such specific function both within itself and as part of a whole, is to be found only in creation and nowhere at all in evolution.  Which was a lie the day it was told.

Science does not even attempt to explain the why and the who.  It cannot, being only a part of the creation itself.  It tries only to do away with them, but finds it cannot do that either.  Just a bunch of made up, juvenile rantings in the simile of a very bad cartoon.  Where none of the characters can even stand on their own, and are impossible to fit together.  Johnny Quest and Bugs Bunny were much better, and much smarter.  It is God that the academia and the mind of man are against, and always have been.  The Bible says having a form of godliness they deny the power thereof.  They are living in every way off of a single drop of His juice, yet continually deny that He gave it to them.  Just as continually and quite intentionally, they forget that their collective life hangs precariously on the strength of a single breath.  Take that single breath away then it is over.  All of their arguments come to nothing.  It was never that the Savior would not have them, He came to save them.  It is that man in his rebellion refuses to come in.  If he stays there he cannot be redeemed.  All are invited, but so few respond.  Even fewer respond properly.

Obedience of course involves doing something whether we feel like it or not.  The problem is this current generation (roughly meaning those born after 1960) whose culture and society were formed after the breakdown and upheaval of the 60’s – are the most addicted, distracted, self absorbed and emotionally ruptured people in the history of the world as a Society; and thereby are made weak, incredibly weak – on both an individual and national level.  On top of that they are ruled by their feelings, and led by their emotions.  All of it is a set up for who’s coming, the son of Perdition, the man of Sin.  They’ll be easy pickings for this Antichrist, who is just about to be revealed.

Never have so many done so little for so few with such vast resources, and I’m not just talking about America.  What you spend on yourself you cannot spend on others, and even those of us who have given should have given more – and not just to the poor.  It is the U.S., Britain, France and Germany combined that make up the West in wealth and influence as the modern Inheritors of what God began in Greece and later Rome more than 20 centuries ago.  Only the Good parts were from Him, what all men have done with what was given them will be Judged, very soon.  Of these four, France will lose the most people to this coming deceiver, as they are the most deceived, being already the most God less.

It is in the tires of your Obedience where the rubber meets the road, but it is the engine of your Willingness that moves the tires.  Hunger would be the gasoline that fuels the engine, or hydrogen if you prefer something cleaner.  In their mechanical nature they are limited to the laws of physics and must all work together to perform the thing they were made for.  In other words, they cannot contradict each other, hypocrisy is not a possibility.  Not so with the Human machine, we are full of contradictions and hypocrisy.  We constantly say things we don’t mean, and mean something completely other than what we just said.  You may think that people just get their words wrong, but that is not so.  Wrong words come out of a wrong heart, and the Bible says so.

Every mouth problem is a heart problem, and all of us have both.  It’s one of the main things discipleship deals with, as it is one of the most pronounced characteristics of the Kingdom of Heaven – No Lying.  Not even little ones.  In fact everything is so Right in Heaven on levels much higher than those we live on here, that up there – the thought is the action. You think it and it is being done. I am of course describing method, not potential.  You can see how one lie would shipwreck the whole thing.  God will not come down to our level of deception.  He insists that we come up to His level of Truth.  But only for those who want it  here and now.

We must always remember that God’s Way of doing things is just the opposite of the world’s way of doing things.  In the world’s way we have adopted seeing is believing as such a normative stance, but in God’s Way just the inverse is true: only unbelief is moved by what it sees.  Faith is moved by what is not seen. Faith is all about what you cannot see, if you can see it, it is not faith.  It is by faith that we must all enter into discipleship despite the failings and inadequacy of men.  Our faith is not in them, it is in God.  Jesus ordered the making of disciples from all tribes in all the world.  Yet He did not say this to all the world, He said it those who had been discipled already.  His disciples could only make disciples because they had been discipled themselves.  Just as I could only make disciples because I have been discipled.  There is not some other way.

Brother Greg
Full Grown Ministry

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